Fuel Line Nuts - In & Out (2025)

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You want to support the throttle body with a wrench when you put those
fittings in, OR take them out. I broke one years ago taking it out.

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bob musgrove

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Absolutely correct, Gordon.
I used these particular fittings because I wanted to eliminate as much rubber fuel line as possible. With the appropriate adaptor fittings, I took Teflon/steel braided line as far back as possible. The fuel supply line (left side of the Throttle Body) extends back to the frame mounted, spin on AC filter. That only leaves short sections of rubber fuel line extending from the fuel pumps to the tank side of the AC filter. I change the high quality rubber line every five years. That is probably overkill; but, I don’t ever want to know. The return line (right side of the Throttle Body) extends to the fuel tank drain plugs through a T. Honestly, I don’t know that connecting both drain plugs improves anything. I did install a substantial steel plate under the respective drain connections. I believe Ken Henderson uses at least one of the fuel tank drains as a return. Several years ago, I remember Emory Stora talking about his preference for Teflon/steel braided lines up over the engine. I basically tried to utilize improvements that these owners had already pioneered.
Robert Musgrove
1977 GMC
Tulsa, OK
From: gmcmh-efi [mailto:gmcmh-efi]- On Behalf Of Gordon
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You want to support the throttle body with a wrench when you put those fittings in, OR take them out. I broke one years ago taking it out.
I think this is what you are looking for. This is what I used when I went to the GM Throttle Body after I broke the original Holley. That’s what happens when I work on something too much.
http://www.amazon.com/ACDelco-17111462-Original-Equipment-Fuel/dp/B0013FW09U
Robert Musgrove
1977 GMC
Tulsa, OK
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I found a supplier who manufactures those fittings. They are expensive
because of low volume production. I may have saved it, but the easiest
solution is the junk yard.
I can not find the article I just read 2 days ago which said Manny, Gene
and someone else sourced the SS braided lines for the GM TBI. One is
long enough to reach to the filler neck.
Perhaps someone knows where to find the article or has purchased the lines?

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Ken H.

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Here's the info on what I used to go to AN fittings:
Russell 640800 GM TBI Adapter Fitting -06 to 12mm x 1.25 O-Ring Seal
Bought from an eBay seller for

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john biwersi

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Ken,
When I had my tanks down, I had a fitting welded to the top of the front tank so I could have the return from my mechanical fuel pump routed to the front tank. When I eventually go to EFI, I will use this fitting for the return from the pressure regulator. I mentioned this plan to our good friend Bob Drews and he expressed a concern about aerating the fuel with this arrangement. He suggested bringing in the fuel at the bottom of the tank or installing a dip tube from the top. Does this sending unit provide that arrangement?? As a matter of information, I did find that the rear tank had a pickup tube inside the tank for the Onan but it was sealed on top because Coachman did not use this location for the Onan ( my coach is a Royale). I think this was a mistake on their part. I drilled and tapped the bung that was at the top of the tube and ran a new fuel line to the Onan. I am a strong believer that if the Onan drains the rear tank ,one knows that you have a reserve in the front tank. I also have heard about folks with the Coachman arrangement having engine fuel problems. The Onan float can be open because of Onan non use which would allow air getting into the fuel line to the engine. Same thinking that a return from the engine fuel system should only go to the front reserve tank to maintain a reserve. ie no question where the reserve is.
John B

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Ken H.

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John,
I can't remember having to cut off the return tube inside the tank sender I
installed, so I suspect it doesn't reach to the bottom of the tank -- and
the photos on eBay seem to confirm that. However, my memory and those
photos do seem to indicate that there is enough tube on the inside to allow
for easy connection of an extension with a compression coupling -- just as
I used to re-connect the pickup tube I had to shorten. I haven't lost any
sleep over the return-to-drain arrangement, so using the top entry is more
a whim than anything else. However, whatever the arrangement on the sender
is, it should be satisfactory, since it's what GM designed for the air
conditioned cars for which it was intended. The returning fuel had to fall
a lot further in them than in our pancake tanks. Fuel Line Nuts - In & Out (1)
My Birchaven also had an unused fuel pickup which is now used by the
Troy-Bilt generator. I too have heard of Coachmen engines being starved by
the Onan, so I was anxious to make that change.
Ken H.

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Why would it matter if the Onan float was open? There is an electric solenoid valve on the fuel line. Did Coachman do away with this valve or put the T on the wrong side of this valve?

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Gordon Reid Nichol

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How can an open float on the Onan let air back past the solenoid valve?

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Ken H.

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On Coachmen-fitted GMC's, the Onan supply line is Tee'd into the engine
supply line from the rear tank. So if the Onan's float bowl is empty,
opening the needle valve, the engine fuel pump sees an air leaking supply
line and can't suck fuel. Selecting the forward tank should correct the
problem.
Ken H.

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I'm sorry, I guess I am mistaken? I have 4 Onans and each of them has a fuel shut off solenoid just before the fuel pump. When the Onan is off, the solenoid is shut off, fuel can not get to the carb and air can not get back in the fuel line from the carb. Are all of my Onans unique?

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Each of my 4 onans has a solenoid right before the electric fuel pump. When the oOnan is off, air can not get back from the carb. Are all of myOnans unique? These solenoids do not open unless the Onan is running.

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Gordon Reid Nichol

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On my 4 Onans there is a fuel solenoid just before the electric pump. It is closed when the Onan is not running. How can air get from the carb past this valve? Do I have 4 unique Onans?

Matt Colie

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No, you do not, that was added to later units because the tank pressure
on some coaches (not necessarily GMC and I don't know which) could over
pressure the fuel pump and float.
The older of the BF (4kW) that I have does not have the stop solenoid valve.
Matt Colie

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Gordon Reid Nichol

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I have 2 BF, one NH, and an Emerald Plus. I had assumed this fuel shut off was part of the low oil pressure safety circuit.

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kosier

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We have two GMCs, one for 15 years and one for 31 years. I’ve never seen a fuel solenoid on either one or any evidence of their being on there. I’ve always assumed someone removed them and all the wiring.
Beyond that, who knows?
Gary Kosier
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Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 1:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [GMCMH-EFI] Fuel Line Nuts - In & Out
Each of my 4 onans has a solenoid right before the electric fuel pump. When the oOnan is off, air can not get back from the carb. Are all of myOnans unique? These solenoids do not open unless the Onan is running.
On Coachmen-fitted GMC's, the Onan supply line is Tee'd into the engine supply line from the rear tank. So if the Onan's float bowl is empty, opening the needle valve, the engine fuel pump sees an air leaking supply line and can't suck fuel. Selecting the forward tank should correct the problem.
Ken H.
How can an open float on the Onan let air back past the solenoid valve?
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